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I don't know where to put this, so I'll just do it here.
If Stacey Abrams wins her race, does she really become a contender for President in 2024? I find that difficult to bet money on.
What I do see is her being a viable replacement for Harris in a 2nd Biden admin. I think we agree that the problem with Harris is Biden can't get rid of the first female person of color VP. But maybe that's true, *unless* he can replace her with another one. Maybe?
I'm happy to hear why this is wrong, but...
I think Abrams would take it.
I think Harris would also play along in exchange for a Federal Bench appointment.
Abrams is from a state that Biden could use a stronger lead in.
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After a successful term as VP Abrams then has a more reasonable shot at POTUS, which is a thing given the shallow bench in the Dem Party right now.
I am not only disgusted by Dr Oz denigrating Fetterman for his post stroke speaking issues, but also about the pile-ons from McCardle, Chavez and Linker (with their minor caveats). This general lack of empathy from all, including, shamefully, Oz, leads to the ongoing disrespect towards doctors and scientists, as well as the breakdown in empathy towards those with medical and other issues. Signed, a retired Family Doc
Awesome discussion except the somewhat terrifying turn towards the end (but it forced me to look up the phrase “‘Katy bar the door”….so there’s that)
One issue that I think is worth commenting on is Sarah’s claim that some Republican voters might view Trump’s statements about a stolen election as similar to Stacey Abrams’ just as many of them view the DOJ’s investigation of Hilary Clinton’s emails as similar to Trump’s storing boxes of classified info at Mar-a-Lago. She says that while in each case, there are superficial similarities, the “context and style” of the allegations are very different/. I agree. But I think the differences are much more significant than just “context and style”.
The things Trump did, he did as the former President and current de facto leader of the Republican Party so the consequences and long-term effects of his actions are much more dangerous.
I don’t know that much about the Abrams election but even if she was completely wrong for not conceding immediately and implying that certain factors resulted in an “unfair” election, nothing she did or said caused Democrats in Georgia to try and forcibly overturn the election or caused them to believe that any future election they didn’t win would, by default, be illegitimate.
It was clearly wrong for Clinton to store sensitive government info on a private server (though I think her actions were more negligent than intentional obstruction). Still I don’t remember Democrats being so incensed over the FBI probe of her mishandling of documents that they sent death threats to FBI inspectors or implied that violence would ensue if she were to be prosecuted.
Well, one slight bit of potentially good news with disclaimers: Over on the Hill, Jonathan Turley has an article about Hillary's emails and Trump. He keeps hedging that Trump may face criminal charges (sort of in favor), but runs back to "But her emails!" as an argument against. The only laugh I've had all morning. If Trump's lost Turley will Concha be far behind?
Truth is True. Trumpism is fascism. Here are the words of Mussolini: Militaristic, violent, controlling but most of all fascism requires adherence to the overheated morality of the herd and the rejection of one's own individual conscience. Yes Carville is right MAGA made Trump. Now we must stand up to it and stop it. And absolutely there will be conflict. But if we flinch now, the losses will only increase with every day we continue to try to appease MAGA.
"Far from crushing the individual, the Fascist State multiplies his energies, just as in a regiment a soldier is not diminished but multiplied by the number of his fellow soldiers. The Fascist State organizes the nation... It has curtailed useless or harmful liberties while preserving those which are essential. In such matters the individual cannot be the judge, but the State only. The Fascist!" Doctrine of Fascism, 1932
Have an amazing holiday, JVL. Enjoyed you sitting in for Charlie. You’re not as mean as Tim.
Standout pods this week. Maybe the one with James Carville was the my fave (MAGA created Trump, not vice-versa) or when Sunny took over Beg to Differ or ... the high wire act of Tim’s pods. Just finished Mr. Miller’s book and I’m recommending to everyone. My husband is tired of me quoting from it.
I had a point. JVL gets it. I voted for Biden and I wish him well, I want him to be a popular and successful president. Mr. mel ladi and I had the same issue with his speech as JVL did. If only POTUS hadn’t headed into policy. I don’t agree with all of the Dems social policy positions and I shouldn’t have to for President Biden to be my President. People of good will can disagree on policy but we should agree on the current danger to the country from a man who respects no laws or norms or even democracy.
I’m about as anti-Trump as it gets but even the Trumpers are my fellow citizens and Biden is their president, too. I want him there when they’re ready to become real Americans again.
I'm only about halfway through Beg to Differ, but McArdle has been fire eviscerating the GOP for not handling its business with Trump. I think she's quite possibly right about how this ends for the GOP if they don't take their medicine now and handle their Trump problem soon.
I don't know where to put this, so I'll just do it here.
If Stacey Abrams wins her race, does she really become a contender for President in 2024? I find that difficult to bet money on.
What I do see is her being a viable replacement for Harris in a 2nd Biden admin. I think we agree that the problem with Harris is Biden can't get rid of the first female person of color VP. But maybe that's true, *unless* he can replace her with another one. Maybe?
I'm happy to hear why this is wrong, but...
I think Abrams would take it.
I think Harris would also play along in exchange for a Federal Bench appointment.
Abrams is from a state that Biden could use a stronger lead in.
&
After a successful term as VP Abrams then has a more reasonable shot at POTUS, which is a thing given the shallow bench in the Dem Party right now.
What am I missing?
And why aren't you BBQing right now?
You guys rock. Keep on keeping on.
This is a cute idea. I'd love to see more podcast recommendations every once in a while.
I am not only disgusted by Dr Oz denigrating Fetterman for his post stroke speaking issues, but also about the pile-ons from McCardle, Chavez and Linker (with their minor caveats). This general lack of empathy from all, including, shamefully, Oz, leads to the ongoing disrespect towards doctors and scientists, as well as the breakdown in empathy towards those with medical and other issues. Signed, a retired Family Doc
A little labor day music
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Awesome discussion except the somewhat terrifying turn towards the end (but it forced me to look up the phrase “‘Katy bar the door”….so there’s that)
One issue that I think is worth commenting on is Sarah’s claim that some Republican voters might view Trump’s statements about a stolen election as similar to Stacey Abrams’ just as many of them view the DOJ’s investigation of Hilary Clinton’s emails as similar to Trump’s storing boxes of classified info at Mar-a-Lago. She says that while in each case, there are superficial similarities, the “context and style” of the allegations are very different/. I agree. But I think the differences are much more significant than just “context and style”.
The things Trump did, he did as the former President and current de facto leader of the Republican Party so the consequences and long-term effects of his actions are much more dangerous.
I don’t know that much about the Abrams election but even if she was completely wrong for not conceding immediately and implying that certain factors resulted in an “unfair” election, nothing she did or said caused Democrats in Georgia to try and forcibly overturn the election or caused them to believe that any future election they didn’t win would, by default, be illegitimate.
It was clearly wrong for Clinton to store sensitive government info on a private server (though I think her actions were more negligent than intentional obstruction). Still I don’t remember Democrats being so incensed over the FBI probe of her mishandling of documents that they sent death threats to FBI inspectors or implied that violence would ensue if she were to be prosecuted.
Consequences matter.
Well, one slight bit of potentially good news with disclaimers: Over on the Hill, Jonathan Turley has an article about Hillary's emails and Trump. He keeps hedging that Trump may face criminal charges (sort of in favor), but runs back to "But her emails!" as an argument against. The only laugh I've had all morning. If Trump's lost Turley will Concha be far behind?
Truth is True. Trumpism is fascism. Here are the words of Mussolini: Militaristic, violent, controlling but most of all fascism requires adherence to the overheated morality of the herd and the rejection of one's own individual conscience. Yes Carville is right MAGA made Trump. Now we must stand up to it and stop it. And absolutely there will be conflict. But if we flinch now, the losses will only increase with every day we continue to try to appease MAGA.
"Far from crushing the individual, the Fascist State multiplies his energies, just as in a regiment a soldier is not diminished but multiplied by the number of his fellow soldiers. The Fascist State organizes the nation... It has curtailed useless or harmful liberties while preserving those which are essential. In such matters the individual cannot be the judge, but the State only. The Fascist!" Doctrine of Fascism, 1932
Have an amazing holiday, JVL. Enjoyed you sitting in for Charlie. You’re not as mean as Tim.
Standout pods this week. Maybe the one with James Carville was the my fave (MAGA created Trump, not vice-versa) or when Sunny took over Beg to Differ or ... the high wire act of Tim’s pods. Just finished Mr. Miller’s book and I’m recommending to everyone. My husband is tired of me quoting from it.
I had a point. JVL gets it. I voted for Biden and I wish him well, I want him to be a popular and successful president. Mr. mel ladi and I had the same issue with his speech as JVL did. If only POTUS hadn’t headed into policy. I don’t agree with all of the Dems social policy positions and I shouldn’t have to for President Biden to be my President. People of good will can disagree on policy but we should agree on the current danger to the country from a man who respects no laws or norms or even democracy.
I’m about as anti-Trump as it gets but even the Trumpers are my fellow citizens and Biden is their president, too. I want him there when they’re ready to become real Americans again.
Thanks to all the Bulwark staff for the terrific content and hope everyone has a nice Labor Day weekend 🇺🇸
Enjoy the weekend JVL and everyone! I still have to listen to Thursday’s pod with James Carville and very much looking forward to that.
Well, this is a lovely little gift from you, JVL. Thanks! Have a splendid weekend with your family. See ya Tuesday!
I'm only about halfway through Beg to Differ, but McArdle has been fire eviscerating the GOP for not handling its business with Trump. I think she's quite possibly right about how this ends for the GOP if they don't take their medicine now and handle their Trump problem soon.
Have a good, relaxing long weekend, JVL!